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Here in Los Angeles we have our share of high technology companies, but we have nothing compared to the hot-bed of entrepreneurship up north, the San Francisco Bay Area. But we have enough of it and we have seen our share of hot startups come, and more often than not, go.

So I've watched with interest as Odeo, a company started by one of the people who wrote the blogging software I'm using, Blogger, has gone through various stages that are predictable for those who are doing their second ventures after a successful first one.

In a post on the Odeo site, Mr Williams says of Odeo: "We work hard, but keep sane hours (not a sleep-under-your-desk startup), use agile development processes (though we could use a little more), have an office with a view in San Francisco (right next to South Park), tend to prefer Macs (but it's okay if you don't), and are going to change what's in people's ears (and between them)."

This description is filled with hallmarks of the second-time entrepreneur. The first time around he was successful, but success came at a price, he had to submit to the terms of the world, which are harsh. Round the clock days, seven day weeks, no time off, and that's not all. No money. Layoffs. Unhappy users. No revenue (Blogger was a dotcom boom company, without the rich financing). But in the end Williams made millions. Now he's going to have success, again -- he know so much more (really of course he does) but this time he's going to win on his terms. "Sane hours" isn't all they'll do better this time, the office furniture is probably pretty nice, and the location is convenient, and the computers are modern, and the business trips luxurious. Dinners are at nice restaurants.

Everyone is working hard, but are they really? And can you win in business, on your own terms?

Experience says no. To win you have to submit to the lunacy of the crazy world we live in. If you won't push the pedal to the floor, you can bet your competitors will. And while you may be motivated even with cushy surroundings and shorter days, the people you hire will take it as a signal that they can relax too. No one will work harder than the boss. That's one of the unfortunate rules of all organization. So if you're on your hard-earned less-stress route to success, the people you hired are acting like cashed-out second-time entrepreneurs too! They can't avoid it, it's just human nature. Of course they'll be disappointed to find out that when you stop funding the project they'll go back to being poor schnooks, and if you didn't blow all your cash (some people do) you'll still be rich.

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You make some excellent points in this post.

I can't help but wonder how entrepreneurs that were unsuccessful the first time around differ from the successful counterparts...

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Anonymous Parand Tony Darugar said...

Second time entrepreneurs that were not successful face similar challenges, maybe ever more so. They made the sacrifices but not the money, so it's much harder to commit to the craziness once again.

You want enough second timers to understand how to succeed, and enough kids out of school to work 7 days a week.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

While I agree that your team generally will not work harder than the leader. I don't agree with the assumption that a 2nd timer can't work smarter and succeed. I have run 3 statups, all successful and I work smarter and enjoy a better quality of life in my 3rd endevour. I've created a culture that rewards my team for success and innovation and it works.

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Mr. Gutman,
Are you afraid that Evan may have your blogger site turned off? lol.
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The point is not to work harder, but to get better results. And "working harder" could do exactly the opposite.

There was a huge discussion on "Quality of Life" issues in game developper community, see for instance this nice summary.

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Anonymous cK. said...

I'm curious how you came up with your opinion? Is it from personal experience? Do you have any facts to support your assessment? It seems there could be hundreds of other factors in a failed second business attempt besides not working long hours and sleeping under your desk (the market, your product, a recession, poor execution, the wrong people, etc, etc). Perhaps Blogger was successful despite the fact people worked long hours.

Your post just seems to be perpetuating the myth that the only way to be successful is to have no life. While every business (old or new) will have crazy hours sometimes, it doesn't have to be like that all the time.

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Blogger BachelorTodd said...

While I have slept under my desk plenty of times, and occasionally still do, I disagree with your theory.

Working around the clock should only be needed in the case where you are cash poor and have to do something, anything, to get out of that pinch. In software development, it leads to bad products and mistakes that could have been easily avoided if you weren't missing sleep. Once you have proven yourself, you should still be quick, but giving up showering won't give your company that extra bump it needed to finally win.

My first startup job was the typical work till you drop game, and we really screwed it up. The company survived, and is thriving to this day, but it wasn't the kids under the desks that made it work. It was bringing in a management team that knew how to build product, and a lot of luck.

Sorry for the long post... I'm heading back to work now, I'll be working till I drop tonight.. but hopefully not forever :)

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Anonymous Donnie Jeter said...

I'm not even going to validate any of your points. Essentially, you base your whole pessimistic argument around Ev's attempt to interest possible future employees. I don't personally know Evan, or the odeo team and I'm pretty sure you don't either. That being said, how can you question their work ethic or drive? Just because he said "sane hours?" I guess I just don't understand you can define and judge a whole business on the sole basis of an advertisement for future employees. Shame on you sir.

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There is much grist for future Mr. Gutman posts here! Thank you very much, it has been very interesting, informative and entertaining, indeed.

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